Diego Footer’s Creative Destruction Podcast

Honest, hard conversations about farming, business, and life with those trying to make a living doing something that they love and dealing with life in the process.

You’ll hear from experts who are far down their respective paths and people just like you who are starting out and making a go of it and learning as they go.

I’ll dive deep into each story, looking at the why and the how, leaving you with practical tools, tips, and techniques that you can put into use right away to be part of the change by doing your work.

Remember… though you may not be able to change the world, you can change your world, so go for it..


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The Episode Archives:


DO THE WORK – The Daily Podcast


Voices of Change – The Episodes:


232: Improving the Business and Marketing of Small Farms from A City Dweller’s Point of View with Rob Avis and Javan Bernakevitch

231: 6 Base Principles for Starting, Running, and Improving a Successful Business with Rob Avis and Javan Bernakevitch – Part 4

230: 6 Base Principles for Starting, Running, and Improving a Successful Business with Rob Avis and Javan Bernakevitch – Part 3

229: 6 Base Principles for Starting, Running, and Improving a Successful Business with Rob Avis and Javan Bernakevitch – Part 2

228: 6 Base Principles for Starting, Running, and Improving a Successful Business with Rob Avis and Javan Bernakevitch – Part 1

227: Lessons Learned Successfully Failing with Oliver Goshey of The Abundant Edge

226: Tips and Thoughts for Buying an Anti-Fragile Property – The Anti-fragile Property Series with Rob Avis – Part 2

225: Building a Profitable Permaculture Farm with Richard Perkins of Ridgedale Permaculture

224: Paul Wheaton on Hacking Kickstarter, PDCs, Haters, Failure, and Doing Epic S***

223: The Importance of Being a Father

222: Owning Land As Insurance Against Disaster – The Antifragile Property Series with Rob Avis – Part 1

221: 10 Big Lessons to Change Your Life in 2017 and Beyond with Javan Bernakevitch

220: Work to Live or Live to Work with Javan Bernakevitch

219: Change the Job or Change the Level of Dissatisfaction with Javan Bernakevitch

218: Arguing with Reality – And Making Yourself Miserable with Javan Bernakevitch

217: Decisions are Destiny – An In-depth Look at the idea of the Holistic Context with Javan Bernakevitch

216: Why ‘Follow Your Bliss’ Might Be the Worst (or Best) Advice in the World with Javan Bernakevitch

215: Grazing the Savanna: Lessons from New Forest and Mastodon Valley Farms presented by Peter Allen at PV2

214: Savanna Gardens: Regenerating the Ultimate Human Ecosystem presented by Peter Allen at PV2

213: Perennial Plants for Profit – Presented by Taylor Walker at PV3

212: Farm Planning and Land Design via the Regrarians Platform with Darren Doherty – Part 4 – Soils, Marketing, Energy

211: Farm Planning and Land Design via the Regrarians Platform with Darren Doherty – Part 3 – Buildings, Fences

210: Farm Planning and Land Design via the Regrarians Platform with Darren Doherty – Part 2 – Water, Access, Forestry

209: Farm Planning and Land Design via the Regrarians Platform with Darren Doherty – Part 1 – Climate and Geography

208: Plant Propagation for Profit – Presented by Jack Spirko

207: Using Social Media to Generate Farm Revenue – Presented by Paul Greive

206: Making a Good Living with Profitable Market Gardening on 1.5 Acres – Presented by Jean-Martin Fortier

205: A Beginners Guide to Multi-Species Grazing on Leased Land – Presented by Greg Judy

204: Starting a Permaculture Farm from Scratch – Lessons Learned from Real World Experiences – Presented by Grant Schultz and Peter Allen

203: Tools and Technology for the Permaculture Homestead – Presented by Grant Schultz

202: Fruits, Nuts & Livestock – Creating a Permaculture Silvopasture – Presented by Grant Schultz

201: Permaculture for Humanity – Beyond Buildings and Food – Presented by Larry Santoyo

200: Ecological Adaptation Strategy – Harnessing the Power of Plants for Changing Times – Presented by Joseph Simcox

199: Eating Before the ‘Invaders’, the American Native Peoples and Their Food Systems Before the Arrival of the Europeans – Presented by Joseph Simcox

198: Homestead and Farm Resiliency and Regeneration – 10 Years In A Cold Climate, Principles in Practice – Presented by Ben Falk

197: Taking your concept to reality. Is the concept really worth the time, energy and money involved? The Webinar.

196: The Farmscale Permaculture Series – Tree Crops: Tree Propagation by Grant Schultz

195: Stalled, Stagnated, and Stuck. How to Start Living The Permaculture Life That You Dream Of with Javan Bernakevitch

194: Restoring Tall Grass Prairie and Tree Crops with Ben Tyler

193: 3 Keys to Starting A Successful Permaculture Based Business – Presented by Rob Avis

192: From Lawn to Productive & Profitable Mini-Farm – Presented by Curtis Stone

191: Renaturing the Landscape: Presented by Zach Weiss. Part 2

190: Renaturing the Landscape: Presented by Zach Weiss. Part 1

189: Holistic Grazing Plans, Energy and Marketing – The Regrarian Open Consultancy with Darren Doherty, Part 6

188: Darren’s Farm and Broadacre – The Regrarian Open Consultancy with Darren Doherty, Part 5

187: Getting the Mineral and Water Cycle Back In Order, The Regrarian Open Consultancy with Darren Doherty, Part 4

186: Designing the Farm and Tree Systems, The Regrarian Open Consultancy with Darren Doherty, Part 3

185: Permaculture Plants – A chat with Dave Whitinger of All Things Plants

184: The Holistic Goal. The Regrarian Open Consultancy with Darren Doherty, Part 2

183: USDA Microloans – What they have to offer beginning and established farmers

182: Pastured Hogs Webinar with Rebecca Krassnoski

181: Transitioning from a Full Time Career as an Engineer to Making a Living as a Full Time Farmer – The Founder’s Story with Darby Simpson

180: Building a Thriving Microgreens Business from Scratch, The Founder’s Story with Chris Thoreau

179: Learning, Putting in the Time, and Hustling to Become a Permaculture Designer, The Founder’s Story with Zach Weiss

178: You Can’t Always Be a Visionary, Building the Next Generation of Permaculture Businesses, The Founder’s Story with Erin Axelrod

177: The Adventure of Going into Farming – Blending the Romanticism of Farming with What It Takes to Be Successful (Hint… It’s A Lot of Hard Work), The Founder’s Story with Jean-Martin Fortier

176: Designing Projects, Systems and Businesses for the Long Term, The Founder’s Story with Christian Shearer

175: Starting A Small Scale Seed Business – An Additional Business Unit for A Small Scale Farm, The Founder’s Story with Daniel Brisebois

174: The Importance of Story Telling (i.e. Marketing) – Who are you, what are you about, what makes your product unique and special, The Founder’s Story with Hilary Bromberg

173: Personal Financial Planning for Entrepreneurs (and Everyone Else), The Founder’s Story with Mary Beth Storjohann

172: Business with a Holistic Approach – What Do You Want, and How Do You Design a Path to Get There, The Founder’s Story with Mary Johnson

171: Building Businesses, Marketing, and Dealing with Failure, The Founder’s Story with Jack Spirko

170: Designing the Pathway to Regeneration, and Why We can’t Do That, The Founder’s Story with Gregory Landau

169: Going from Near Bankrupt to Debt Free, Grazing Cattle on Leased Land, The Founder’s Story with Greg Judy

168: Regenerative Businesses and Landscape – It’s a Process, One That’s Always Trying to Improve, The Founder’s Story with Ethan Soloviev

167: The Power of Perseverance and Taking Risks, The Founder’s Story with Erik Ohlsen

167: Story Marketing – The Importance of Telling Your Brand’s Story, but Not Just Any Story Told by Anyone, The Founder’s Story with Marty McDonald

166: The Most Important 93% of Your Life That You Aren’t Thinking Enough About (CD11)

165: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Start Living – Two Fathers Talking Unschooling, Raising Kids, and Life with author Ben Hewitt (CD10)

164: Trading Time for Dollars, Supporting Your Permaculture Goals with a Career Outside of Permaculture with Rob Kippel (CD9)

163: Grow Wings and Fly (CD8)

162: The Long Road to Overnight Success (CD7)

161: Building A Million Dollar Permaculture Business – That’s Ecologically, Socially, and Financially Sustainable with Erik Ohlsen (CD6)

160: Time – One Resource That’s Continually Depleting… Don’t Waste It (CD5)

159: Fear – The One Thing that You Can Control, but The One Thing that Most People Let Control Them (CD4)

158: The Man Who Brought Together 20 Million People – A Lifetime as an Environmental Activist with Earth Day Organizer Denis Hayes (CD3)

157: Keys to Creating Success Metrics, Focusing Your Efforts, Quick Iterative Learning, and Marcin Jakubowski React (CD2)

156: Marcin Jakubowski on Crowdfunding, Managing Multiple Projects, and Persevering Against Extreme Odds (CD1)

155: When the world changes around you, what do you do? with Farmer Vincent – The Untold Story of You

154: What’s it like to get punched in the face with Scott Hebert? – The Untold Story of You

153: Secret Sorrows, An Inside Look at the World of Depression and Suicide with Chris Gilbert – The Untold Story of You

152: Dr. Ross Mars on Practical and Realistic Processing of Homescale Greywater and Blackwater

151: Permaculture – Another Tool in The Toolbox – Where Engineering Meets Permaculture with Rob Avis

150: Massive Influence – A Tribute to Toby Hemenway

149: The Untold Story of Gaia’s Garden

148: Liberation Permaculture by Toby Hemenway

147: Liberation Permaculture – The Prequel – An Interview with Toby Hemenway

146: Backing Away from the Energy Cliff: A Permaculturist’s Guide to Thinking About Energy

145: A Look at Agriculture, Horticulture, Permaculture: Why Agriculture Can Never Be Sustainable, and a Permacultural Solution with Toby Hemenway

144: Arrive at a Solution, Don’t Impose a Solution – Permaculture and Life with Toby Hemenway

143: How Permaculture Can Save Humanity and the Earth, but Not Civilization presented by Toby Hemenway

142: Managing Success and Growth Doing The Work You Were Destined to Do with Justin Rhodes

141: “Farming Tree Crops” – Maintenance, Harvesting and Sales – All Less Work Than You Might Think with Stefan Sobkowiak

140: Rotational Grazing Layer Chickens in a Small Backyard with Shawn McCarty

139: Balancing Personal Goals, Raising Kids, and Day to Day Work with Rob Avis

138: Rocket Mass Heater Basics and Practical Applications with Erica Wisner

137: Pasture Cropping with Colin Seis

136: The 8 Forms of Capital – Through Regenerative Cacao presented by Gregory Landua

135: Growing Effectively – Thoughts on Starting and Managing Businesses around Family and Life with Erik Ohlsen of Foresite Mapping

134: Crushing It and Failing – The Tale of Two Pastured Poultry Businesses Run by the Same Farmer with John McAuley of Healthy Hen Farms

133: Market Gardening in An Extreme Climate – Techniques for Growing with Cold Summers, Poor Soil and High Winds with Brian Kowalski of Newfoundland

132: The Rise of the Mushroom – A Look at the Future of the “Artificial” Intelligence of Fungi – Exploring Fungi’s Roles in Pollution Remediation, Medicine, and Soils with Peter McCoy

131: Taking Regenerative Agriculture Forward presented by Jack Spirko

130: Activist to Entrepreneur with Permaculture Magazine North America Co-Founder Hannah Eckberg

129: Real World Farm Start-Up: Making it Happen by Doing What You Have to Do, Whether You Want to Do It or Not with Seth Stallings

128: Growing Mushrooms in the Garden and Growing Mushrooms as a Business – Mycelial Mayhem with Dave Sewak

127: Growing 10000 Trees On Acre – Expanding A Small Scale Nursery Business, an Update with Akiva Silver

126: The Bumpy Road Towards a Modern Agricultural Future: When What Could Be and What Is Collide in Reality with Chris Kerston

125: Liberation Permaculture by Toby Hemenway

124: How to Position Your Pastured Poultry as a Premium Product, and the Economics and Challenges of Doing It with Paul Greive of Primal Pastures

123: Permaculture: Change the Name or Change the Reputation? Answering critical questions around permaculture with Andrew Millison

122: The Unlikely Path To Success: From Hockey Player to Personal Care Product Entrepreneur with Philippe Choiniere

121: Paul Stamets Presents: BioDiversity is BioSecurity – Strengthening Foodwebs using Mycological Solutions

120: Going from 30 Customers to Over 6000 – Sheri Salatin on Starting, Running and Growing Polyface Farm’s Buying Club

119: Soil Life Exploding at Judy Farms – Using High Density Mob Grazing and Earth Worms to Build Soil by Greg Judy

118: From No Experience to Full Time Farmer – A Look Back, and Forward, at a Farming Career with John Suscovich – Part 2 of 2

117: From No Experience to Full Time Farmer – A Look Back, and Forward, at a Farming Career with John Suscovich – Part 1 of 2

116: Greening Saudi Arabia – Seeing Progress, Plant Species, Lessons Learned, and No Regrets, an Update with Neal Spackman

115: Designing with Context – 25 Years of Design Mistakes, Evolution, and Innovation with The Best Land Designer in The World, Darren Doherty

114: 10 Essentials For Profitable Urban Farming Presented by Curtis Stone

113: A Beginner’s Guide to Going from Getting “STUFF” Done to Getting “THE RIGHT STUFF” Done with Javan Kerby Bernakevitch

112: $200,000 Dollars in Sales from 320 Square Feet. Learn the tips and tricks grower Chris Throreau is using to crush it in the microgreens business.

111: You Can Change Your Own Life, If You Want To – Going from Alcoholism to Permaculture.

110: The Business of Gasification. The Challenges and Successes of Transitioning a Hobby into a Viable Business with Troy Martz.

109: Building Dams, Ponds, and Rehydrating the Landscape – The Water Retention Landscape with Zach Weiss.

108: Build A Sustainable & Profitable Education Business – Rancho Mastatal, A Model For Success with Scott Gallant.

107: Taking your concept to reality. Is the concept really worth the time, energy and money involved?

106: Permaculture Contracting. Ecologically Regenerative – Socially Just – Economically Viable. Presented by Erik Ohlsen.

105: Goats as Restorative Catalysts. Managing Goats for Environmental Regeneration, Not Degeneration.

104: 7 Steps to Start Your Profitable Permaculture Based Business presented at PV2 by Luke Callahan.

103: The Great Work of Our Time presented at PV2 by John D Liu.

102: Critiquing Permaculture – A Deeper Look Into Permaculture – Part 2.

101: What Permaculture Isn’t, And Is – A Deeper Look Into Permaculture – Part 1.

100: Liberation Permaculture with Toby Hemenway.

099: Permaculture Plants: A Business and A Hobby with Taylor Walker.

098: Farmscale and Broadacre Permaculture Design Experiences with Neil Bertrando.

097: Growing Apples in Warm Climates.

096: Building Soil Health by Dr. Elaine Ingham.

095: Living Life Like a 5 Year Old. Coming Alive and Changing the World by Learning and Living with Curiosity and Intention. A Conversation with Matthew Abrams.

094: Forest Farming with Steve Gabriel. Growing Crops Within the Canopy of an Existing Forest.

093: Simple Ideas and Strategies for Breaking Ground into a New Career in Permaculture with John Pugliano.

092: Printing Permaculture: The Vision and Story of Creating a Massive Permaculture Media Business. A 22 Year Active Case Study with Maddy Harland.

091: Farming. It’s Damn Hard. The Real Life Journey of Starting a Permaculture Farm with No Money. An interview with Mark Shepard.

090: Social Permaculture. Creating a Diversity of Functional Connections Between People and Their Skills.

089: Stacking Fiefdoms with Joel Salatin. Creating Multiple Complementary Businesses Under the Umbrella of an Exisiting Business.

088: Designing Simple and Effective Passive Solar Greenhouses with Rob Avis.

087: Making $2000 A Week Growing Microgreens with Luke Callahan.

086: Raising American Guinea Hogs, The Homestead Pig with Cathy Payne.

085: Quitting A Job I Love for A Life That I Love. The Unromantic Journey Into Farm Life with Chad Stamps.

084: The Veglio Project. Restoring the Land. Awakening the Soul.

083: Profitable Urban Farming. A realistic view with farmer Curtis Stone. Working your ass off and making $50,000 on a quarter acre.

082: Hugelkultur. What it is. When is it appropriate. And when isn’t it. With Javan Bernakevitch.

081: Permaculture. The Future of Business and Beyond. An Interview Compilation

080: Radical Mycology with Peter McCoy

079: Hazelnuts. A Viable Broadacre Crop for the Midwest? Almost. with Phil Rutter

078: 100 Degrees and 3 Inches of Rain. Greening Saudi Arabia with Neal Spackman.

077: Changing the World by Changing Our Approach – An Interview Compilation

076: What would you do if you only had a year left to live? Building a life and a business around permaculture with Fraser Bliss

075: Geoff Lawton presents The Permaculture Designers’ Manual.

074: What’s a PDC? Part 2 of 2.

073: What’s a PDC? Part 1 of 2.

072: Farming Well. Cultivating a Community and Growing Businesses with Nigel Walker of Eatwell Farm.

071: Natural Swimming Pools with David Pagan Butler.

070: Do Your Impossible.

069: Unschooling Agriculture. Taking Steps Towards the Permaculture Farm with Grant Schultz.

068: Permaculture and the Forgotten. Teaching Permaculture in Places That Absolutely Need It. A Message of Hope with Rosemary Morrow.

067: Lawncare to Earthcare. Building Businesses, Embracing Failures, and Transitioning to a Career in Permaculture.

066: Urban Permaculture Design with Larry Santoyo. Creating Systems Where the Byproducts are More Sustainable Cities.

065: Re-Thinking Farm Products. Creating a Brand that Needs Ingredients from the Farm with Philippe Choiniere

064: Bringing More Permaculture to the Farm, Real World Constraints with David Sachs

063: 1000′s of Trees and Half an Acre. Small Scale Nursery Business with Akiva Silver

062: 75 Chicks to 10000. No Experience to Full Time Farmer. The Ronan Byrne Story

061: Designing & Building the Future…Literally. Open Source Ecology with Marcin Jakubowski

060: Building a Profitable Permaculture Business with Jack Spirko

059: Striking a Balance. Two People, and One, Two, or Many Dreams. Permaculture Beyond the Land, Building and Cultivating Resilient Relationships

058: Woody Agriculture. Breeding Trees, Restoring a Piece of America’s Past and Establishing a Piece of Our Agricultural Future with Phil Rutter. Part 2 of 2

057: Woody Agriculture. Breeding Trees, Restoring a Piece of America’s Past and Establishing a Piece of Our Agricultural Future with Phil Rutter. Part 1 of 2

056: An Idea Worth Sharing. Inside The Permaculture Orchard.

055: Rhodesia to Long Beach. 50 Years of Struggle, Persistence, and Success with Allan Savory.

054: PermaEthos. Changing the Agriculture System, A New Permaculture Farm Model with Jack Spirko

053: Plants and the Evolution of Permaculture with Byron Joel

052: Fermenting Success. A Passion for Family, Friends and Mead. The Frank Golbeck Story

051: Grow Better, Not Bigger. The Market Gardener – Producing $140,000 on 1.5 acres.

050: What Really Matters? Staying on track through your permaculture journey with your goal in mind.

049: Just Start. A Year of Podcasts. My Top 10 Most Impactful Episodes.

048: Planning for Success. Creating a Business Plan with Bill Bean.

047: Permaculture Homesteading – Enjoying Life Being a Realist, Not an Idealist with Cliff Davis.

046: Water – Simple, Yet Complex with Watershed Artisan Craig Sponholtz.

045: Profitable Methods Used to Heal the Land With Mob Grazing with Greg Judy.

044: How Can I Make it Happen. Stop Aspiring, Start Doing.

043: Starting a farm and living the happy farm life. A conversation with farmer Shannon Jones.

042: Bees and Beekeeping with The Bee Whisperer, Michael Jordan.

041: Navigating the Fear of Leaving One Job and Starting Fresh. Hint: It probably won’t be as bad as you initially think.

040: Designing Systems That Will Work Before AND After SHTF – Passive Systems vs. Brittle Complicated Systems f. Ben Falk & Grant Schultz

039: The Future of Agriculture – Changing the Concept with Mark Shepard

038: Biogas and Anaerobic Digestion: Closing the Loop on Waste and Creating Energy in the Process

037: Arrive a Solution, Don’t Impose a Solution. Permaculture and Life with Toby Hemenway

036: Putting the Dehesa back into SoCal, A $1M Restoration Agriculture Start-Up

035: Ditching the Status Quo, Using Your Life Energy to Make a Better World: Permaculture Business

034: Permaculture 2.0, Designing a Profitable Broadacre Perennial Farm with Grant Schultz

033: Building Soil and Closing the Loop on Waste using Chickens….plus eggs!

032: How to Figure Out What You Want to Do In Life – Fail Better, Fail Forward, and Find Your Niche with Javan Bernakevitch

031: Geoff Lawton Talks Permaculture – The Past, The Future, and The Land

030: Paul Wheaton Discusses Intentional Community – Central Leader vs. Concensus

029: Darren Doherty Introduces the Regrarian Platform [A workshop recording, Part 1]

028: Industrial Farmer to Beyond Organic Icon, Will Harris III of White Oak Pastures

027: Permaculture Design and Cold Climates with Ben Falk

026: SPIN Farming with Curtis Stone

025: The Myth of the Perfect Job with John Kitsteiner

024: Permaculture Patterns and Goals with Owen Hablutzel

023: Michael Pollan talks GMOs, Industrial Agriculture, and the Impact of Cooking your Own Food

022: Thistles, The Dehesa System, a PDC, and more on Darren Doherty

021: The Permaculture Orchard f. Stefan Sebkowiak

020: Urban Lumber, Creating Value and Saving Wood from the Fireplace f. David Barmon

019: Joel Salatin Being Proactive and Controlling Your Own Sphere of Influence to Change the World

018: Using Permaculture Earthworks to Capture Rainwater Runoff and Prevent Erosion

017: Construction Estimator to Hog Farmer, The Story of a First Time Farmer f. Rebecca Krossnoski

016: Darren Doherty Talks Keyline Design and the Importance of Building Soil

015: Joel Salatin Talks to the Next Generation of Farmers

014: Raising Pastured Hogs & Why More People Aren’t Doing It f. John Backes of Circle B Ranch

013: Darren Doherty on Regrarianism and Why Regenerative is Better than Sustainable

012: Build Soil, Healing the Land, and Raising High Quality Food with Rotational Grazing

011: Growing Mushrooms, Building Soil, and Making $100,000 per Acre

010: Raising Heritage Breed Livestock and Venturing into Farming with Cathy Payne

009: Build a Backyard Food Forest Today, Part 2

008: The Story of a Beginning Farmer, Raising Pastured Lamb and Poultry in Southern California featuring Paul Greive

007: Can anyone be an entrepreneur? f. Permaculture Voices speaker Sarah Aubrey

006: How to Be a Small Farmer, Practical Advice from an Experienced Young Farmer. f. Permaculture Voices speaker Adam Klaus

005: Paul Wheaton Keynote from the 2013 Southern California Permaculture Convergence

004: Build a Backyard Food Forest Today, Part 1

003: Fruit Trees for Year Round Fruit and Small Spaces with Ben Kotnik

002: Batteries for homesteads and mobile power with Iron Edison

001: Alternative Energy with Gasification and Wood Gas with Off Grid Pro


Growing and Selling Microgreens with Chris Thoreau:

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Grass Fed Life with Darby Simpson:

See all of those episodes on this page.


Farm Small, Farm Smart featuring Curtis Stone and other Farmers &

The Urban Farmer with Curtis Stone – Seasons 1 & 2:

See all of those episodes on this page.

ASK Voices with Farmer John Suscovich:

See all of those episodes on this page.


ASK Voices with Homesteader Justin Rhodes:

See all of those episodes on this page.


ASK Voices with Mycologist Peter McCoy:

See all of those episodes on this page.


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